Walter Johnson Doesn't Make Sense…
Walter Johnson Doesn't Make Sense…
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It should be noted, when talking about the approximate speed of Johnson’s fastball, that the ball was not the same as it is now. All other things being equal, it wasn’t capable of going as fast as a modern day ball. That’s one of the things that is rarely mentioned when talking about current vs modern records in most sports. The equipment they all used was inferior. I would like to see some scientist take the two balls and do a comparison. Of course, good hitters eventually get the timing right no matter how fast the pitch. It took more than speed to strike out all of those guys.
WJ is a pitchers lord and savior
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He ain’t nothing compared my RTTS player with a 34-0 record ,0.00 ERA, and 793 strikeouts.
I sooooo wanted to use him in MLB The Show but his wind up got really annoying after a while, lol….But seriously, pitching motion aside, he did pitched for a very long time without any serious injury so just maybe he’s the one doing it right and we’re the ones doing it wrong….
I appreciate the video, yet you make a basic mistake. The "estimate" is not based on science. And the single time he was measured-in street clothes, absent any warm ups-nobody can pitch their best this way-the speed calculated was absurdly low. Because the *method: was so primitive. Virtually everyone agrees that he was faster than Feller-even Feller did! And Feller was timed at 98.6 with a far more reliable method: AT THE PLATE. That translates to 107.6 in a modern manner, near release. Lastly, I am not sure if he could have pitched much faster with another motion. Your statement about mechanics overwhelmingly applies, but occasionally guys do great, & nearly maximize their potential, with eccentric styles. Like Ali’s technique-or Foreman, the latter did not seem to use much legs, but clearly punched near the hardest ever.
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Well I think throwing side-arm has a lot to do with it
You said he did not use his legs and hips but when you watch his motion you can see he does lead with his hips and legs. His motion is just more compact than many of today’s pitchers. He had to be a extra strong man to throw with that compact motion. Jimmie Foxx the great HR hitter had a very compact swing and he hit 534 homers. I just figured he had to be as strong as a bull to hit that many.
The thumbnail says he had 110 shutouts. If you added up the complete games AND shutouts of the top 10 pitchers who started their careers from 1980 and are now retired- they may not add up to 110! I know shut outs are complete games. Just trying to show the point how the game has changed.
I love the idea of him tossing up a meatball for one of his boys and just laughing when they hit it a mile
His locker set up at Cooperstown was the most impressive thing in the entire Hall for me."Big Train" would be just another big man today but back then he was a giant.
If they know so much about today why do so many young pitcher’s have Tommy John surgrey? I think Johnson’s simple direct throwing motion is something he was blessed with.
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The greatest athlete from my high school, Fullerton Union High in Fullerton, Ca. He once struck out 27 batters in one extra inning game.
Something else to consider about Johnson’s MLB career. Quite often the Washington teams he played on were weak teams (though they did beat the NY Giants in the 1924 World Series so they weren’t always bad), so to win he literally had to dominate from the mound. Take 1916 as a prime example. The Senators finished the season in 8th in the AL (only 9 teams and no divisions) with a 76-77 record. Walter Johnson won 25 (and lost 20). Essentially he contributed 1/3 of their wins (OK, also over 1/4 of their losses). Plus, consider this. Washington (today’s Twins for those who don’t know) were an AL team meaning they regularly came up against the likes of the [Philadelphia] A’s, White Sox, Tigers, Red Sox, and of course the Yankees and that meant a lot of pitching against some of the greatest batters / players ever like Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Lou Gehrig, Eddie Collins, Joe Jackson etc ctc. To compile the record he did playing for a (mostly) weak club against some of the game’s absolute greats was no mean feat.
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It is funny that people today dismiss and disbelieve what those who were actually there and experienced it say. Walter Johnson, Cy Young, Babe Ruth, and Dizzy Dean seem to have used almost identical pitching motions, and to great success. Others surely did as well. All people are made different, and it surprises me that people and coaches try keeping young pitchers from even trying to use the pitching motion of the two winningest pitchers in baseball history. But then again, in 1974 when Tommy John surgery was first invented, several teams still used the 4 man pitching rotation and the 24 teams AVERAGED 42 complete games apiece, and Mike Marshall pitched in 106 games and worked 162 relief innings, and in both 1971 and 1972 both Wilbur Wood and Mickey Lolich worked over 350 innings. With all our advances in training methods and medicine, as well as financial rewards for players, one would think we would be progressing, and every team would have a couple guys tossing 15 complete games and 300 innings with a star reliever working 120 innings and winning at least 8 games per year. No wonder the older pitchers quietly mock today’s pitchers who are paid for the quality of each inning, rather than what they did for their team over the season or seasons. Who’s more valuable to a team, a guy who works 180 innings, goes 10-9 with 220 strikeouts,. 0 complete games, or a guy who works 280 innings, goes 19-11, strikes out only 95, with 17 complete games where relief pitchers weren’t necessary and could be saved for other less talented starters? Sabermetrics made a mistake in not calculating the importance of innings, complete games, and victories. Count how many times a pitcher won 25+ games from 1960-1980.(17?) Then notice 25 victories has only been done ONCE since. Then count the 20- and 15- game winners 1960-1980. Now count those of 2000-2020. Baseball has been regressing for a long time, because pitchers are no longer even competitive with those of yesterday.
They no longer win MVPs. They obviously do not have the respect. But hey, with their better training methods and medicine, they can have their high strikeouts and long careers. And keep sidearm pitchers out of the game. And only let girls play softball so there are more Dottie Millers who compiled a career record of 6 wins and 10 losses against all male opponents. I know that’s not a great record. But how many major league games have you won? Given the chance, some real girl might surpass her one day
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GREAT video… BRUTAL announcing…. WHY ?!?
Exactly… 04:17
That mlb the show gameplay🤣🤣🤣
Listen pal, I’m the expert of players not making sense. Juan Soto doesn’t make any sense. That being said, you’re absolutely correct.
It’s a testament alright, however most mechanics make absolute sense. Heck I’m a sidearm pitcher, but my mechanics are a little sluggish. However there is a good chance that a coach could allow some mechanics to be shown like that. Even I do that which a lot of people would have trouble seeing because it’s not new but would often ask me of I throw higher. No I don’t, I naturally pitch sidearm has it’s conforming for me.
Sure guys throw harder now. But try doing that 300 innings/year for 20 years while giving up an avg of two runs and striking out 3500 batters. He went 36-7 pitching for the Senators! Nobody in today’s game could even get in the same universe as Walter Johnson.
Heck, forget 100 years ago, 30 years ago pitchers used movement & change of speed much, much more. I preferred a fast ball pitchers over the guys who aggressively mixed speeds w/ movement. Don’t get me wrong, modern day pitchers are savage & attack hitters, which makes sense since hitters are constantly over swinging. IMHO, collecting K’s is exactly what the old timers would do today if they knew that: 1. They were on a 100 pitch count, and 2. If they saw hitters coming out of their shoes on every swing.
Honestly, I feel like Walter Johnson could dominate nowadays in MLB IF he were to make tweaks (a.e. add more power). As a sidewinder, he naturally pronates more than normal pitchers (arm survives longer and more abnormal movement applied to pitches).
Ty Cobb had difficulty hitting Johnson.What he did was crowd the plate.Johnson,in fear of hitting him would throw the ball over a significant portion of the plate and Cobb would greatly improve his average against him.Cobb missed no trick.
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Please make a video of the Babe when he was with the Braves and not the Yanks ,thanks .
I hate MLB The Show gameplay so much. That fastball is 100+, why does it just float in there?
Randy Johnson was also a sidearm pitcher… Maybe it’s a Johnson thing.
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The motion actually isn’t shit… if you were playing 2nd base 🤣
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Think how much easier it would be to reduce run scoring as a pitcher….if no one could produce a run w/ one swing..ie HR….that completely changes the calculus of inter era pitcher evaluation.
Can’t compare Train to anyone post WW2. You just can’t.
Imagine Clemens, Unit or Gibson, Kershaw, etc….virtually never facing anyone who homered.
That’s the advantage Big Train had….and comparative ERA+ doesn’t factor that in. You just can’t compare deadball era pitchers to any pitcher post 1927 or so.
In 1997, Clemens had 264 innings and gave up 9 HRs….in the steroid era…with half the games in Skydome. Thats one of the craziest stats I’ve ever heard….and that would have been considered absolutely terrible and borderline impossible in 1912.
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One of the greatest of all time!
110 shut outs will not ever be beat
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He looked like Robin Williams a bit…
The fact that he probably threw 90-93 with bad mechanics and no training or nutrition regimen is crazy. Raw talent right there
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The most underrated aspect of Walter Johnson is that he only had one pitch, his fastball. One historian was quoted saying, "Walter Johnson’s idea of a changeup was just to throw the ball harder." Ty Cobb stated that Johnson would have never given up a hit if he learned how to throw a curveball
Your wrong. Graterol is essentially the same pitcher with his insane mechanics and crazy velocity.