Why the Aussies chose the Steyr AUG Bullpup

Why the Aussies chose the Steyr AUG Bullpup

Did they tip the scales in favor of the Steyr AUG instead of the M16A2 because Colt wouldn’t get Australia the license to manufacture? Was the test biased? The fact that none of the Australia Special Forces community use the Steyr makes me suspicious. I’m always cynical about tests but maybe its telling the truth lets look at the data in this video!

In this video we investigate the pros and cons of this weapon. It was the first Bullpup rifle to ever be adopted into main stream service as a major country’s primary rifle. It was revolutionary for its time with a modular barrel system unlike pretty much anything seen prior in firearms.

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Sources: declassified documents:
https://cove.army.gov.au/sites/default/files/sarp_vol_1.pdf
https://cove.army.gov.au/sites/default/files/sarp_vol_2.pdf
https://cove.army.gov.au/sites/default/files/sarp_vol_3.pdf

The gun was light weight, a foot shorter than the M16A2 and still accurate. There are some internet theories that it won thanks to Colt not letting Australia have the license but I don’t think I put much weight on that belief. What are your thoughts I’m curious to know!

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50 Comments

  1. Mason Curtis on November 28, 2021 at 9:23 pm

    3:33 the M4 velocity is greater.
    "An M4 firing standard 5.56x45mm M855A1 ammunition, which has around one and a half times as much powder, has an average muzzle velocity of around 2,970 feet per second"



  2. J Denmark on November 28, 2021 at 9:25 pm

    Yay, Nah mate, the reason the SAS goes for the yanks platform is for pure cosmetics, they think they look cooler with the SOF gear, than with the bullpup that looks like a toy. Pure and simple. It’s all about the image.



  3. K on November 28, 2021 at 9:27 pm

    Mate I used the AUG Steyr and all the upgrades right through my 20+ yr career.
    The general army seemed to liked it,( but that’s POGs for ya) as for us grunts not so much, the main reason for it’s purchase was due to being able to build at home and change the design as for the donut reticle we hated it, NZ also had the same weapon (u had some video of the kiwis in ur video) but only upgraded it once, and never with the donut they had the post system for better accuracy but has now completely dumped it for a more reliable and effective wpn the MARS-L
    As for Afghanistan the biggest complaint was the effective range of the Steyr, non effective after 300m another reason why the marksman wpn was brought into service in the early to mid way through the Afghanistan war, the new Steyr that was introduced into Service in 2016-2017 in OZ is a hugh improvement, better optics (no dumb donut) and has some similar features to the M4, but still a Steyr 😉
    a lot of those decisions for the Steyr is to do with the manufacturing in Oz. The new Steyr was offer to NZ army during there submissions and procurement for the replacement of there in service wpn, it didn’t even make the trial’s.



  4. EdM240B on November 28, 2021 at 9:30 pm

    3:54 in my opinion, it’s due to length of training time. I believe due to the ergonomics of the AR15 platform, it’s much quicker to train soldiers to get “good” with it than with the AUG. Malfunction clearing on some bullpups can be a nightmare as well.



  5. Carlos Aragón on November 28, 2021 at 9:32 pm

    3:55
    The M4 platform is way more modular and the magazines are way more common amongst other special forces they might work with.

    my bro-knowledge theory😂



  6. Lemurai on November 28, 2021 at 9:37 pm

    The steyr platform would be phenomenal chambered in 6.8×51



  7. The Professional on November 28, 2021 at 9:37 pm

    German quality



  8. Lane Veillon on November 28, 2021 at 9:38 pm

    The AUG is definitely a better Battle Rifle than the M-16 versions which comes from experience while in the U.S. Army when we did a training trade-off with the Aussies. We both trained on each other’s weapons and then swapped for 2 weeks and at the end WE didn’t want to give them back and they definitely wanted to give back the M-16A2’s! Haha

    If memory serves there were 8 of these cross-trainings done, but then about 5 years later the first M4’s started getting handed out. I have two AUG’s that I love and don’t own any AR variant other than my Banshee 10mm. I just wish there were more calibers and upgrades available, but in the end the AUG’s just RUN. The trigger isn’t that big of a deal, but if you’re used to the AR triggers or run any of the Gucci-Triggers then it takes a little getting used to shooting.



  9. Green&Blue Productions on November 28, 2021 at 9:39 pm

    I love the A.U.G. but got to say if it’s a mircle weapon why does it almost always lose to a Stoner design? Exacpt in a 4 countries of course.



  10. Brian Howard on November 28, 2021 at 9:39 pm

    Fucking things are augly



  11. fabien Tre on November 28, 2021 at 9:40 pm

    Don’t forget that special forces have:
    – a long list of weapons available
    – a long list of potential missions
    – therefore, one ideal choice is for the special forces to have their weapons that they mostly train with that can be modified to the needs of specific missions. This is why the SCAR was developed. But the AR platform became modular thanks to the civilian market in the US which brought new options for the military.
    So it’s absolutely not a surprise that the special forces went for the M-4.
    For the older Steyr Aug, the scope was welded to the Barrell, and that’s not a good thing for special forces that might have needs for a more powerful scope, or a red dot, or whatever they would need. And until very recentrly, conventional infantry troops would not have any accessory for their service rifle except for the bayonet.
    BUT now, the F-90 from Thales (or Lithgow Arms) evolved fro the basic aug which had no modularity.
    The F-90 is equipped with various picatiny rails, it is very light, etc… And the bullpup ballance is good enough to shoot with one hand in case of injury.
    I’m absolutely not surprised that the army likes it. And other countries with bullpups tend to love it too. The UK now love their L85, the French loved their FAMAS.
    The only drawback is the extraction which is too close to the face if for some reason the operator needs to use it on the other side (like a building corner).
    With that in mind, Israel developed the Tavor X-95 which replaced the M16 and M4 as service rifle. AND now it’s being ordered by many military units, police units, SWAT units, and especially Special Forces around the world.
    The operator still receives some hot gas, BUT at least, the brass will eject without touching him.



  12. Avery Marshall on November 28, 2021 at 9:40 pm

    I love the aug



  13. Kowazuky on November 28, 2021 at 9:40 pm

    the m4 lends itself better to SF. for modular and customizable. the AUG however seems ideal for arming an entire force



  14. Liam Smith on November 28, 2021 at 9:40 pm

    The Aug always seems to have that Sci-Fi look. Well to me at least. Cheers from Lithgow ✌️



  15. Friedrich Hegel on November 28, 2021 at 9:41 pm

    austrian special forces use the aug/stg77 & the jagdkommando as one of the best sf units in the world are no idiots i think =)



  16. Craig Randell on November 28, 2021 at 9:42 pm

    Yeah nah, Fosters, whats fosters! Never seen it anywhere in any bottleshop, doesn’t exist here in Western Australia.



  17. Jem Karaka on November 28, 2021 at 9:43 pm

    Totally agree with JA, Aussies never drink Fosters.Thats just tinned cats piss that we sell to Poms and tourists



  18. Michael Schwarzenfeld on November 28, 2021 at 9:43 pm

    Served in the Austrian army, the Steyr proved to be an exceptional piece of equipment.



  19. Zachary Scott on November 28, 2021 at 9:45 pm

    New Zealand has issues with their AUGs in afghan, they lacked the ability to punch out at longer ranged engagements. They have switched to the HK 416.



  20. Chocy milk on November 28, 2021 at 9:45 pm

    1:20 remember it is aussie not orssey



  21. legostmoeliot on November 28, 2021 at 9:45 pm

    Feels good using the ef88 now in the army- bolt release catch added and easier to clean so less stoppages. Bloody old f88 is pretty lousy for me, obstruction in the body and a lot of stoppages



  22. Heebee Jeebee on November 28, 2021 at 9:45 pm

    It’s not the Aug, it’s the AUG



  23. James Booth on November 28, 2021 at 9:46 pm

    There’s a pretty good reason why they adopted it, and I know exactly why they did by the unwritten documents.

    Australia is known for being very anti-gun, and they were looking for a weapon for the military that doesn’t turn their troops into gun loving nuts when they get out of the military.
    (And that’s because of the Port Arthur massacre.)

    They choosen this weapon because they performed a live test to see which weapons the troops loved and hated, without telling them that they’re looking for the gun they absolutely hate but gets the job done.
    So basically they told them "We’re looking for the best and enjoyable weapon." without telling them that they’re looking for a horrible one.
    Kinda like the "mean medium mode" for research.
    I did spoke to the troops who was the only ones who knew why and they told the story to my unit.

    There’s your reason why they chosen this weapon.



  24. cain vike on November 28, 2021 at 9:47 pm

    im confused.. all this talk about austria and you call them aussies and australians?



  25. X on November 28, 2021 at 9:47 pm

    i fought in Iraq, as an infantry man i can say that the M4 is a hell of a weapon BUT i remember getting caught in sand storm, he m4 jam on me several times in a battle because sand got inside, it almost got me killed



  26. hole shot shane on November 28, 2021 at 9:48 pm

    Totally blew my mind how old the Styre AUG actually is



  27. zenithstar on November 28, 2021 at 9:50 pm

    they chose it because its australian



  28. Quadg on November 28, 2021 at 9:52 pm

    Technically the EM-2 was officially adopted by the British army in 1951 as the first bullpup.
    Then the US did the dirty by insisting the 7.62mm would be the official NATO round.
    So the British had to hurriedly swap to the SLR. To be compliant.
    When 5.56mm became NATO standard they went back to the bullpup.



  29. KH. Valby on November 28, 2021 at 9:55 pm

    Even though I’m not a "French-o-file", I do like the "FAMAS F1 Assault Rifle. That would be my "Bullpup" of choice. Even if the French moved on to the HK416F ( which might be a better weapon – those Huns, do weaponry really good 👍😊👍 ) ! Yeah! You Aussies couldn’t make a proper beer to save your life’s 👎 ! GO "CARLSBERG"" BTW! Thanks for Mary (from Tasmania). Best thing from Australia Ever 😆 ! Greetings from 🇩🇰 👍😊👍



  30. Joseph Augustinovic on November 28, 2021 at 9:55 pm

    I use to have the augsmgsteyr as a user name on you tube.not duck duck go.only wish was to unleash with it rate of fire it like its stolen.



  31. Lindsay Cooper on November 28, 2021 at 9:55 pm

    The reason our spec ops chose the m4 platform may be for compatibility with our allies on joint ops as well as other things like attachment customization for specific ops.



  32. ruhrpottx on November 28, 2021 at 9:56 pm

    0:37 😂



  33. Bryn F on November 28, 2021 at 9:56 pm

    France and England? You meant France and the UK.
    Classic american



  34. Julian Siuksta on November 28, 2021 at 9:57 pm

    I’m a former Australian Army Reservist, from 1985-89. My primary weapon was The Standard Issue L1A1 or SLR, as we called it. Most other vets of my generation, who got to handle both the SLR and the Steyr AUG, basically said they preferred The SLR. Although I myself never got to handle the Steyr. I was on my way out, discharge papers signed, just as my unit was adopting it.



  35. Brad C on November 28, 2021 at 9:58 pm

    I was told by my seniors(vietnam vets) that the m16 used in Vietnam was a Piss Poor weapon. Took too long to carry out a IA drill and too Complex to pull apart and dissassamble in the middle of a firefight. I think thier was a little Bias here and it was AGAINST the m16 not in Favour of AUS Steyr. I carried a m16 around for a while the funny thing is they made us put rubber bands around the Mags so we wouldn’t lose them..As you know the mags just fall straight out..



  36. Odie on November 28, 2021 at 10:00 pm

    Because of politics.



  37. Ariana Sleepwalker on November 28, 2021 at 10:02 pm

    ah… the all new Austeyr AUG 🥳



  38. Nein Gagging on November 28, 2021 at 10:02 pm

    It’s interesting to note that the New Zealand Defence Force also used the Steyr from 1988-2017, but changed to the LMT M4.



  39. Joseph Radley on November 28, 2021 at 10:07 pm

    As someone with plenty of hands-on experience with this piece of tupperware. I have some points of rebuttal.

    If this weapon is so great why are the ADF constantly modifying it? The most recent mod was basically a redesign from the ground up. Not as bad as the Brit SA-80, this weapon still has issues by the KFC bucketload.

    I have had three of these weapons break on the range… not little break… on one occasion the bolt snapped in half.

    Having the gas group right next to the foregrip has lead to many burns to the non-master hand.

    As gas groups go these ones seem to be more of a fouling trap. About 75% of weapon cleaing time is trying to get the shittonne of carbon out of the gas group.

    The barrels aren’t truly interchangeable. You can just order the weapon in the different barrel lengths.

    The weapon isn’t ambidextrous, so you need to carry a percentage of left-handed weapons (or carry left handed bolts so you can convert the weapons to left-handed) which causes flow on logistical problems. The bullpup design makes it impractical to fire off-handed (unless you want hot brass in the face), could be worse. You try and fire an SA-80 left handed you will get a shattered cheekbone. (What moron made the cocking handle fixed to the bolt)

    Australia really should have broadened the search. Yes the M-16 isn’t great. But H&K make some splendid weapons and by that point in history H&K were owned by Royal Ordinance and we can be sure the Brits would have allowed us to build the G-36 locally. Alternatively FN make quality armaments, we had been building FN rifles in Australia since we replaced the Lee Enfield with the L1A1 and L1A2. Plus the ADF already uses three other very good FN weapons.



  40. HSK Machineworks on November 28, 2021 at 10:07 pm

    From what I’ve heard from NZ-SAS (Not the same but the reason might be the same) the reason they use the AR15 platform is the mag interchangeability with other NATO nations.



  41. Daniel Batten on November 28, 2021 at 10:11 pm

    Lots of reasons why you might choose one weapon over another, the US were so obsessed with 7.62 it got in the way of other countries weapon development for years. Backlash against US made could have simply been a counter to attempted US meddling in NATO loadouts.



  42. White Coyote on November 28, 2021 at 10:14 pm

    Because men are still boys, and boys like to imitate idols. Their special forces emulate what the US has, just go on youtube and see how everybody copies the US forces.



  43. Task & Purpose on November 28, 2021 at 10:14 pm

    I’m still on the fence about whether I’m a bullpup guy or not – maybe the General Dynamics bid I’m firing tomorrow will change my mind ! Follow cappy here for updates: https://www.instagram.com/cappyarmy/



  44. Orze on November 28, 2021 at 10:16 pm

    i never understood the hate for bollpups newer 1’s got a decent triggers as well like the x95.



  45. FBG Deadpool on November 28, 2021 at 10:17 pm

    But the special forces of Australia uses the m4 platform lmao like almost all special forces that are Allie’s of America



  46. Mr. James on November 28, 2021 at 10:18 pm

    The french Famas another classic bullpup rifle was enlisted the same year in 1978.



  47. John Heath on November 28, 2021 at 10:19 pm

    Why M16 types rather than a Bullpup in SF units? Bullpups are not ambidextrous.



  48. Geoff oliver on November 28, 2021 at 10:19 pm

    I was involved with the Steyr trials in C Coy 8/9 RAR in 1983 and even though I went into the trial with a preference for the M16 it really was no contest with the Steyr winning hands down.
    An example is when two sections (9 soldiers ) went through the Canungra obstacle course which is a giant mud bath.
    We then after pulling the barrels through to prevent a weapon exploding we conducted some live firing, every M16 had multiple stoppages while one Steyr had a single stoppage.
    Accuracy of the Steyr was considerably better with the Steyr.



  49. Colin Newman on November 28, 2021 at 10:21 pm

    Decent weapon I always thought. The optics are a weak point but apart from that not a bad rifle. Not like they get used a lot anyway.



  50. Jason Chen on November 28, 2021 at 10:22 pm

    Austria (Steyr Company) and Australia (Consumer) both use AUG XD both Austs use the aug